Ann Coulter on "Shooting Elephants in a Barrel"

I'm not a big fan of Ann Coulter...I find her to be a bunch of one-liner party-line soundbites. She's obviously intelligent, but her standard format for discussion is more annoying than informative much of the time. In any case, her article about the apparent double-standard regarding prosecution of political figures based on their party affiliation is worth a read:

Shooting Elephants in a Barrel
by Ann Coulter
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19720

Lewis Libby has now been found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice for lies that had absolutely no legal consequence.

It was not a crime to reveal Valerie Plame's name because she was not a covert agent. If it had been a crime, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald could have wrapped up his investigation with an indictment of the State Department's Richard Armitage on the first day of his investigation since it was Armitage who revealed her name and Fitzgerald knew it.

With no crime to investigate, Fitzgerald pursued a pointless investigation into nothing, getting a lot of White House officials to make statements under oath and hoping some of their recollections would end up conflicting with other witness recollections, so he could charge some Republican with "perjury" and enjoy the fawning media attention.

As a result, Libby is now a convicted felon for having a faulty memory of the person who first told him that Joe Wilson was a delusional boob who lied about his wife sending him to Niger.

This makes it official: It's illegal to be Republican.

Since Teddy Kennedy walked away from a dead girl with only a wrist slap (which was knocked down to a mild talking-to, plus time served: zero), Democrats have apparently become a protected class in America, immune from criminal prosecution no matter what they do.

As a result, Democrats have run wild, accepting bribes, destroying classified information, lying under oath, molesting interns, driving under the influence, obstructing justice and engaging in sex with underage girls, among other things.

Meanwhile, conservatives of any importance constantly have to spend millions of dollars defending themselves from utterly frivolous criminal prosecutions. Everything is illegal, but only Republicans get prosecuted.

Conservative radio personality Rush Limbaugh was subjected to a three-year criminal investigation for allegedly buying prescription drugs illegally to treat chronic back pain. Despite the witch-hunt, Democrat prosecutor Barry E. Krischer never turned up a crime.

Even if he had, to quote liberal Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz: "Generally, people who illegally buy prescription drugs are not prosecuted." Unless they're Republicans.

The vindictive prosecution of Limbaugh finally ended last year with a plea bargain in which Limbaugh did not admit guilt. Gosh, don't you feel safer now? I know I do.

In another prescription drug case with a different result, last year, Rep. Patrick Kennedy (Democrat), apparently high as a kite on prescription drugs, crashed a car on Capitol Hill at 3 a.m. That's abuse of prescription drugs plus a DUI offense. Result: no charges whatsoever and one day of press on Fox News Channel.

I suppose one could argue those were different jurisdictions. How about the same jurisdiction?

In 2006, Democrat and major Clinton contributor Jeffrey Epstein was nabbed in Palm Beach in a massive police investigation into his hiring of local underage schoolgirls for sex, which I'm told used to be a violation of some kind of statute in the Palm Beach area.

The police presented Limbaugh prosecutor Krischer with boatloads of evidence, including the videotaped statements of five of Epstein's alleged victims, the procurer of the girls for Epstein and 16 other witnesses.

But the same prosecutor who spent three years maniacally investigating Limbaugh's alleged misuse of back-pain pills refused to bring statutory rape charges against a Clinton contributor. Enraging the police, who had spent months on the investigation, Krischer let Epstein off after a few hours on a single count of solicitation of prostitution. The Clinton supporter walked, and his victims were branded as whores.

The Republican former House Whip Tom DeLay is currently under indictment for a minor campaign finance violation. Democratic prosecutor Ronnie Earle had to empanel six grand juries before he could find one to indict DeLay on these pathetic charges -- and this is in Austin, Texas (the Upper West Side with better-looking people).

That final grand jury was so eager to indict DeLay that it indicted him on one charge that was not even a crime -- and which has since been tossed out by the courts.

After winning his primary despite the indictment, DeLay decided to withdraw from the race rather than campaign under a cloud of suspicion, and Republicans lost one of their strongest champions in Congress.

Compare DeLay's case with that of Rep. William "The Refrigerator" Jefferson, Democrat. Two years ago, an FBI investigation caught Jefferson on videotape taking $100,000 in bribe money. When the FBI searched Jefferson's house, they found $90,000 in cash stuffed in his freezer. Two people have already pleaded guilty to paying Jefferson the bribe money.

Two years later, Bush's Justice Department still has taken no action against Jefferson. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi recently put Rep. William Jefferson on the Homeland Security Committee.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Democrat, engaged in a complicated land swindle, buying a parcel of land for $400,000 and selling it for over $1 million a few years later. (At least it wasn't cattle futures!)

Reid also received more than four times as much money from Jack Abramoff (nearly $70,000) as Tom DeLay ($15,000). DeLay returned the money; Reid refuses to do so. Why should he? He's a Democrat.

Former Clinton national security adviser Sandy Berger literally received a sentence of community service for stuffing classified national security documents in his pants and then destroying them -- big, fat federal felonies.

But Scooter Libby is facing real prison time for forgetting who told him about some bozo's wife.

Bill Clinton was not even prosecuted for obstruction of justice offenses so egregious that the entire Supreme Court staged a historic boycott of his State of the Union address in 2000.

By contrast, Linda Tripp, whose only mistake was befriending the office hosebag and then declining to perjure herself, spent millions on lawyers to defend a harassment prosecution based on far-fetched interpretations of state wiretapping laws.

Liberal law professors currently warning about the "high price" of pursuing terrorists under the Patriot Act had nothing but blood lust for Tripp one year after Clinton was impeached (Steven Lubet, "Linda Tripp Deserves to be Prosecuted," New York Times, 8/25/99).

Criminal prosecution is a surrogate for political warfare, but in this war, Republicans are gutless appeasers.

Bush has got to pardon Libby.

  • bob
    Comment from: bob
    03/08/07 @ 04:04:55 pm

    I guess we have finally reached the point where we need to bring out the big time conservative whiner, Ann Coulter, to defend the poor, persecuted Republicans. The bright, shining ideological light of the Republican party. Is this the same Ann Coulter who just created a stir by smearing John Edwards? Yes, I guess it is. Well, I guess when you are on the run you grab help for your case from whatever quarter you can find, regardless of how tawdry it might be.

    Poor Ann, she is beside herself! Why can't America see that conservative Republicans are the guys in the white hats? They valiantly stand for everything that is right for the country because nonconservative Americans are too dim to know what is best themselves. Hence, we have conservative Republicans to light the way because they know best. They always know best, on any issue. Ask anyone of them and they will tell you that it is so.

    So, it is indeed a tragedy that Republicans are always persecuted with legal action in spite of the good they try to do. While those lowlife Democrats get away with murder! Such a double standard that well meaning Republicans have to endure!

    Well, there can be any number of reasons for such a predicament. The first one that comes to mind is perhaps the Republicans who have endured legal difficulties, as so carefully enumerated by Ms. Coulter, are not quite as bright as they hold themselves out to be. While, on the other hand, the Democrats mentioned are brighter than their less fortunate Republican counterparts.

    Another possible reason that comes to mind is that perhaps the unfortunate Republicans mentioned actually broke a law. Imagine that! And, on the other hand, the devious Democrats did not break a law. Or perhaps they had some connection that ensured they would not be grabbed by the long arm of the law. But, regardless, they surely had to have broken the law from a Republican point of view, hmm.

    I think I will continue to believe that if legal action has been taken against an individual, then it was warranted. And if not, the case will not stand on its own merits in a court of law. The Libby case is a good example of that. You lie under oath, you get convicted. And we have the Wilson's civil action against Mr. Libby and Mr. Cheney in the near future as well. It will be interesting to see how that turns out as well, won't it?

    Your dubious advocate, Ms. Coulter is truly being sanctimonious when she contends that "Criminal prosecution is a surrogate for political warfare, but in this war, Republicans are gutless appeasers." On the contrary, Republicans play the game in as vicious a mode as is possible just as the Democrats do. Republicans are not angels by any stretch of the imagination. The advantage in the rough and tumble world of politics shifts back and forth between Democrats and Republicans. What seems to be different today is that Republicans just can't get accept that the pendulum has begun to swing away from them. Hopefully, it is soon enough for Democrats to finally pull this country out of the various messes we find ourselves enmeshed in.

    Will Mr. Bush pardon Mr. Libby? It wouldn't surprise me. But that's fine. That "get out of jail" card is available to presidents of both parties. It will all boil down to the degree of fallout President Bush is willing to endure.

  • Comment from: Rossputin
    03/08/07 @ 04:24:30 pm

    Bob, I've given up on debating this with you because you are impervious to logic or facts, like most liberals.

    You make a big deal out of Coulter's article but not once are you able to say that she's wrong because she's not, in this case.

  • Jim C
    Comment from: Jim C
    03/09/07 @ 01:38:22 pm

    Bob,

    Not once in your screed did you offer up one single fact, where as Coulter offered up several examples of liberal and judicial hypocrisy. Get. A. Life!!!

    Jim C

  • bob
    Comment from: bob
    03/10/07 @ 07:31:23 pm

    Jim,

    Actually, I did offer up more than one fact in my response to Ross. One fact concerned Mr. Libby's conviction for four felony counts including perjury and obstruction of justice. This is no figment of anyone's imagination. It is a cold, hard fact. The problem seems to be a serious case of denial among Republicans about Mr. Libby's conviction. Republicans just cannot bring themselves to accept this outcome. Things just haven't gone their (i.e. Republican's) way lately. I guess when things begin to unravel it can get pretty bad, pretty quickly. But, in my view, Mr. Libby's guilty judgement was an appropriate outcome for lying under oath. Mr. Libby is not the first to be tried for perjury and he won't be the last.

    Another fact that I mentioned concerned Ms. Coulter's claim that "Republicans are gutless appeasers." This is a gross misrepresentation. During the last six years Republicans have reacted viciously to anyone who has questioned their policies. This includes the Wilson issue and Mr. Libby's and Vice President Cheney's role in the sordid affair. I look forward with great anticipation to the forthcoming civil trial for these two characters, these two great pillars of our current Republican administration.

    I read a great article by Mr. Rich, by the way, concerning a pardon for Mr. Libby. He believes that President Bush will pardon Mr. Libby.
    http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/11/opinion/11rich.html?hp

  • Comment from: Rossputin
    03/10/07 @ 07:54:45 pm

    Bob,

    You have not made any sort of reasonable response to me or to Jim C.

    The fact that Libby was convicted is only the entry into this debate; it is not being questioned, since he obviously was convicted.

    The question is about whether he should ever have faced trial.

    The answer to that is almost certainly no, and it has NOTHING to do with his being a Republican.

    How many times do I have to tell you that? Your take reminds me of a guy I knew who thought everyone was lying to him...because he lied to everyone. Your liberal muddle-headedness makes you think that everyone out there who thinks the Libby thing was a travesty must be a partisan Republican.

    I believe I've made this clear before: I don't think I've voted for a Republican for President other than Reagan in 1984. (I wasn't old enough to vote before that.) I am not saying I voted for any Democrats, because I never have and it's hard to imagine that I would. Most of the elections I voted for the Libertarian, and at least one I didn't vote in.

    I am far from a partisan Republican, and my anger at what happened to Libby is not political. Your attempt to defend what happened is feeble at best, and you still haven't responded to the real points made by me or Coulter.

  • bob
    Comment from: bob
    03/10/07 @ 08:33:45 pm

    Ross,
    Let me approach this from another angle in two steps. You question whether Libby should ever have been tried in the first place.
    (1) Well, Libby was an important witness in the federal investigation of who leaked Valerie Plame's name. It was no surprise to me that he was questioned in the conduct of this investigation because of the position he held and the contact he had with the media. Now he chose to lie to federal investigators while under oath. I don't care whether he was guilty of leaking Ms. Plame's name or not. By lying to federal investigators he committed a felony offense. What is so hard to understand about that? Is it me that is being obtuse? He lied under oath. That was a federal offense. You do not do that. Libby is a lawyer. He was represented by very competent counsel and he still lied. Is he stupid or what? I suspect I know why he lied but it's only speculation..he was covering the tails of others. But, nevertheless, he was accused of lying. Now at this point two people can choose to disagree and the natural response to that is, "I'll see you in court." Which is exactly what happened.

    (2) Now would a court case have been conducted in the first place if the prosecutor had no grounds upon which to charge Mr. Libby with perjury and obstruction of justice? The case would have been thrown out if no grounds for trial existed. If a trial was conducted there was legal recognition that an issue of law existed, it was not a frivolous exercise which was a waste of everyone's time. You act as if this is a travesty of justice. He was accused of lying under oath and it was taken seriously. You seem to take the position that since he did not leak Ms. Plame's identity that federal investigators should just let Libby go free even though he lied to them...let's let bygones be bygones. Well, he broke the law! It's totally irrelevent whether he outed Ms. Plame or not. He lied under oath and there are severe penalties for doing that and he knew it. Mr. Libby had his day in court and he was convicted by a jury of his peers. It was a totally proper outcome for his actions.

    So, should Libby have been tried? You bet.


  • Comment from: Rossputin
    03/10/07 @ 08:46:52 pm

    Bob, I'm really tired of discussing this with someone who refuses to acknowledge the most basic facts:

    1) The "leak" of Plame's name was NOT a crime, so there should not have been a prosecutor assigned to it.

    2) The prosecutor knew at the very beginning of the investigation (because Novak told him) just who the leak came from.

    It may be true that Libby lied during the investigation, and if that's all you consider (as it seems for you) then he certainly is deserving of some punishment.

    But it is ridiculous to ignore the more important facts of this situation, that there was a frivolous investigation about something which was not a crime, and where the perpetrator was already known to the investigator.

    So, should Libby have been tried? Absolutely not. He should never even have been questioned.

    Please don't continue with this debate. Your unwillingness to listen to the most basic non-partisan facts makes it pointless.

    I'd much rather argue with someone who at least thinks about things, or with you on an issue where you turn your brain back on.

    Ross

  • bob
    Comment from: bob
    03/10/07 @ 09:09:29 pm

    Apparently, the leak of Valarie Plame's identity was a crime. Please reference:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Plame#Career

    Quote:
    "Some press accounts have raised questions about whether or not the CIA still considered Plame a "covert" agent––that is, the precise nature of her "classified" status or the type of "cover" that she had and whether or not it was "official" or "non-official"––at the time she was outed in the Novak column of July 14, 2003. However, the Grand Jury indictment states that Ms. Plame was in a classifed employment staus with CIA. Yet, as Johnson observes in his Congressional testimony previously cited:

    These [disparaging] comments [by members of the press and others in the public debate] reveal an astonishing ignorance of the intelligence community and the role of cover. The fact is that there are thousands of U.S. intelligence officers who "work at a desk" in the Washington, D.C. area every day who are undercover. Some have official cover, and some have non-official cover. Both classes of cover must and should be protected."

    I think about things Ross regardless of what you believe. I guess you like warm, supportive comments that always embrace your view of the world. There are two sides to every story. The problem here is that the Libby affair is a highly partisan issue and it is difficult for some to give themselves a fact based view of the issue.

    Should Libby have been tried? Absolutely. Should he have been questioned. Absolutely. The outcome speaks for itself.

  • susan boyer
    Comment from: susan boyer
    03/11/07 @ 06:57:02 pm

    Bob, Bob, Bob-if the leak of Valerie Plame's name was a crime, how come Armitage, the leaker, is not on trial??? Anybody who insists Libby should have been tried (he shouldn't) had better be able to explain to me why Sandy Berger wasn't. I think stealing and destroying classified docs during war time is a much more serious crime. Susan Boyer

  • The Freak
    Comment from: The Freak
    03/12/07 @ 11:26:22 am

    I'll split the middle.

    I think Libby should not have been questioned. The fact that he was, after the facts of the investigation were well known (as in, who leaked Plame's name) speaks an abuse of presecutorial discretion.

    Having said that, once he was questioned, he should not have lied. His lawyers could have tried to prevent the questions, but his lying was a crime and should have been punished. We can debate how harshly.

    This is entirely irrelevant of what anybody else may have done or not done.

    Clinton should have done jail time for lying to lying to a Federal judge. Kennedy should have done jail time for walking away from the scene of a fatal accident (at least). So what? The truth of these statements doesn't weaken the earlier two statements about the Libby case.

    The iniquity is the result of the wide discretion American prosecutors have. I, for one, would do away with it all. That would prevent abuses and move flexibility away from the police and prosecutors (who are parties to the dispute in the American adversarial system) and into the hands of judges and juries.

    I would also mandate jury instructions in support of nullification (most jurisdictions today forbid such instructions). I think that is an important check and part of the reason why certain things give rise to a right of trial by jury.

  • Alex G.
    Comment from: Alex G.
    03/14/07 @ 12:10:07 pm

    "Clinton should have done jail time for lying to lying to a Federal judge."

    Clinton was found not guilty by the way where as Libby was found guilty. Just thought I'd point that out :).

  • Comment from: Rossputin
    03/14/07 @ 12:31:19 pm

    Clinton was NOT found "not guilty"....he just wasn't thrown out of office.

  • The Freak
    Comment from: The Freak
    03/16/07 @ 09:41:23 am

    Alex,

    Your perspective is in direct contrast with the judge's and the legal record. In other words, you are just plain wrong.

    Check out this case: Jones v. Clinton, No. LR-C-94-290, UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF ARKANSAS, WESTERN DIVISION, 36 F. Supp. 2d 1118; 1999 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 4515

    Some key quotes:

    "DISPOSITION: President adjudged to be in contempt of court for his willful failure to obey this Court's discovery Orders."

    "Simply put, the President's deposition testimony regarding whether he had ever been alone with Ms. Lewinsky was intentionally false, and his statements regarding whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky likewise were intentionally false, notwithstanding tortured definitions and interpretations of the term "sexual relations""

    There's more. Read the case.

    Lying in depositions under oath in a Federal court is a crime (and the court had traveled to DC for the president's convenience). If I'd done it, I would have been disbarred (the president was just suspended for a little time) and spent time in jail.

  • Alex G.
    Comment from: Alex G.
    03/16/07 @ 12:10:07 pm

    He was cited by a federal Judge after the trial. However, he was found Not Guilty in the Senate.

    Why is everyone still hung up on this? You guys are so funny trying to rewrite history. Libby did commit a crime and was found Guilty. Somehow we are arguing about Clinton, very clever.

    From Wikipedia: "A two-thirds majority, 67 votes, would have been necessary to convict and remove the President from office. The perjury charge was defeated with 45 votes for conviction and 54 against, with one senator quoting Scottish law voting "not proven," believing the President did not receive a fair trial. The obstruction of justice charge was defeated with 50 for conviction and 50 against."

  • Comment from: Rossputin
    03/16/07 @ 12:20:44 pm

    Alex, you're being ridiculous.

    First of all, you are the one who brought up Clinton in your comment, not me.

    Second, a Senate vote is not the same as being found "Not Guilty" in a legal sense. There were obviously Senators who know that Clinton was guilty but did not want to vote to have him removed from office for this particular offense.

    You are the one re-writing history, and your comments show the sort of lack of understanding of history and law that makes liberals so muddle-headed.

    RGK

  • Alex G.
    Comment from: Alex G.
    03/16/07 @ 12:58:38 pm

    I didn't bring up Clinton, "The Freak" did. Second if you want to change my statement from "Not Guilty" to "Not Convicted" be my guest. It was still a trial and he wasn't convicted. That's true even in "a legal sense."

    Every time conservatives do something wrong they point to Clinton. Again you guys are hilariously funny!!!!! Thanks for the entertainment :).

    Yours,
    Muddle-Headed Liberal

  • The Freak
    Comment from: The Freak
    03/16/07 @ 05:42:35 pm

    Alex, please, let's keep the facts straight.

    1. I did not bring Clinton up. Ann Coulter did in the article Ross quoted in the blog. My response was actually IN OPPOSITION to Ann's point. I held that Clinton's perjury is irrelevant with respect to Libby's.

    2. Clinton was not "cited" by a judge. He was found to have obstructed justice and to have perjured himself. This was determined in Federal court through an adversarial proceeding (a trial). He was sentenced in a Federal court (he paid some fines and he was suspended from practice for a short time). He did not appeal, so the decision is final. If you think only the senate had jurisdiction over him, then your thoughts run counter to those of the supreme court who threw him into Federal court in the first place. You're entitled to your opinion, but the weight of legal evidence is against you.

    3. Wikipedia is good as far as it goes, but I would recommend you actually read the record. They get most of their facts right, but the nuances are lost.

    4. Libby and Clinton share a trait with me. We are all members of one or more state bars. To be admitted to our respective bars, we all took oaths. To this end, the fact that both, Libby and Clinton lied under oath in judicial proceedings disgusts me. They dishonored a profession I take seriously.

    5. I appreciate the court's (and many other commentators') deference to a president and their suggestion that he not be punished in an exemplary manner. Perhaps you also hold this view. I respectfully disagree. Presidents, senators, congressmen and, yes, even Libby, need to answer to the law in exactly the same way as anybody else. If anything, they should be held to a higher standard. As a result, the fact that the President of the United States was allowed to make a mockery of a Federal trial and retain his license to practice law is disgusting and an insult to the bar.

    Please note, I voted for Clinton in 1992. I cannot allow that fact to cloud my judgment nor the facts of his reprehensible behavior; all I can do is regret my vote.

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