Jerry Taylor responds: Libertarians and Global Warming

This is the second in a series of articles with "Stand-up Economist" Yoram Bauman taking the pro-global-warming-alarmism position and being debated by me and other more expert people such as the Cato Institute's Jerry Taylor and the Heartland Institute's James Taylor. The entire series should be able to be found by searching my blog for "Bauman", with this link:
http://www.rossputin.com/blog/index.php/a?s=bauman&sentence=AND&submit=Search

Jerry Taylor of the Cato Institute has been generous enough with his time to respond to yesterday's "guest posting" by Yoram Bauman about "Libertarians and Global Warming". I hope you find it interesting, as we continue this debate. If you're interested in the discussion, I recommend you also read the comments to the articles in this series, beginning with the first article, linked above.

I actually agree with almost all of the above despite the fact that the author went out of his way to single out a speech I made in 1998 for ridicule. I am not at all embarrassed by the speech in question: I think it was a fair and reasonable summary of the science at the time and of the uncertainties that lingered as of 1998. As the scientific literature has evolved, of course, the summary of the science should evolve as well. Hence, as we learned more about the orbital drift that distorted the satellite readings of earth's temperature, we were able to resolve some of the mysteries that existed at that time.

The author is correct to note, however, that I made "a totally wrong claim that 4000+ scientists signed an anti-global-warming statement." I meant to say 400+ scientists signed the statement in question (the so-called Heidelberg Appeal). It was an honest (albeit annoying) typographical error.

While I don't pretend to speak for libertarians in general, I think an honest examination of the libertarian community would find that the beliefs Mr. Bauman is attacking are not as widely spread as he thinks. For instance, Prof. Pat Michaels - a senior fellow here at Cato who holds a PhD in climatology and who is widely published in the scientific literature on this matter - agrees that anthropogenic emissions are the main driver behind the warming trend of the past several decades. Moreover, he thinks the IPCC reports are fairly reasonable (albeit not perfect) summaries of the scientific literature (which maybe shouldn't surprise - he is a member of the IPCC). He believes, however, that future warming will be at the lower end of the IPCC forecasts and that the economic costs will prove modest given the distribution of that warming.

Moreover, Cato's latest salvo addressing this issue - Indur Goklany's "What to Do about Climate Change" - makes none of the arguments Mr. Bauman chastises libertarians for making. If Mr. Bauman gets a chance to read the piece, I would be interested in his comments.

That having been said, let me note that there are very good reasons for people (not just libertarians) to be skeptical of expert scientific consensus regarding environmental doom given the track record of that community. Consensus from that community once told us that industrial chemicals were the cause of a modern cancer epidemic; that population growth would outpace food production and usher in a Malthusian apocalypse; that mineral scarcity would soon turn off the industrial engines of the Western world; ad infinitum. Conspiracy theories are not necessary to explain the proliferation of such views – information cascades and professional biases will do nicely.

Moreover, while no one I know doubts that externalities are real in the modern world, many of us doubt our ability to quantify them with any certainty or to remedy them through the political process in an efficiency-enhancing manner. One recent survey of the literature, for example, found that estimates regarding the externalities imposed by a ton of carbon emissions range from $9-200. If politicians were ever inclined to internalize those externalities through some set of public policies, the figure they would settle on would undoubtedly be driven more by politics than hard science or economics, which introduces the very real threat that they would make the economy more – not less – efficient as a consequence.

  • Yoram Bauman
    Comment from: Yoram Bauman
    05/09/08 @ 08:37:25 am

    * "I actually agree with almost all of the above." Terrific! My post was in response to Rossputin's more skeptical angle on things, so now he has to take us both on. (PS. Look at the comments on my original post and you'll see a lot of skeptics who agree with Rossputin and not with me or Jerry Taylor. IMHO they're giving libertarians a bad name.)

    * "Let me note that there are very good reasons for people (not just libertarians) to be skeptical of expert scientific consensus regarding environmental doom given the track record of that community." Yes, because natural scientists are not always so clever about economics, and I noted this at the end of my post. But the climate change science stuff is science. So can we please compartmentalize the skepticism? Just leave IPCC Working Group I out of it and I'll be happy!

    * "If Mr. Bauman gets a chance to read [Cato's latest salvo], I would be interested in his comments." Here are three comments from a quick skim: (1) There's clearly been a significant decrease in the buried-head-in-the-sand quotient, and that pleases me greatly. (2) "One cannot base sound policy on poor science"---the question is about what to do in the face of scientific uncertainty, when things could turn out okay or could turn out really really bad; see, e.g., the papers on the website of Harvard economist Martin Weitzman. (3) "The world can best combat climate change by reducing present-day vulnerabilities." This is debatable, but certainly not a moronic position as far as the economics is concerned, and I certainly agree that economic growth in poor countries would help. But so would some governmental programs and foreign aid, so I look forward to Cato's leadership in these areas! (My big concern here is that we'll say "clean drinking water is more important to poor countries than mitigating climate change"... and then not do anything on either front.)

    PS. Just for the record, it's Dr. Bauman, not Mr. Bauman (economics PhD from Univ of Washington, 2003). And, also just for the record, Jerry Taylor's 1998 speech still strikes me as one that has not aged well, typo or not.

  • Mick
    Comment from: Mick
    05/09/08 @ 12:06:27 pm

    Ahhh, Cato. The academy of libertarianism with the courage of academics.

    I stand with the hardcore libertarians in full denial of this wretched scam.

  • alexwrld
    Comment from: alexwrld
    01/04/10 @ 11:20:12 am

    Great blog! I totally agree with your view.

    Thnks

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